@eniko I do! I mean I never used the thing and never will, but your insights about it are very interesting and possibly even useful!

@eniko I don't think I ever used QBasic, but I did use its predecessor GW-Basic at high school.
For basics I was into Amos on the Amiga. Now that was a fun language. :)

@eniko why do you love it

@eniko That I don’t care about it (either or) I think is the charm of it. The silliness of it is very human, and I like human.

@eniko I liked it. I'm short on energy for caring, but I liked it.

@nina_kali_nina all sites I use do.

• If a website doesn't work in #LynxBrowser over #Tor at #Iridium speeds, it's garbage and should be banned!

My website works in gemini, take that

@nina_kali_nina Yep. No Javascript, simple, non-essential CSS, and the personal markup language I write in requires alt text for all images.

@nina_kali_nina Probably not... then again, I haven't tried it. The HTML is proper semantic stuff so it wouldn't be completely catastrophic...

@nina_kali_nina i always build for links and mothra first 🦓

#links2gang

@nina_kali_nina My homepage and the omnibus? Yes. I'm not sure I have a favorite website. :thinking:

@nina_kali_nina because some adtech devs at the orange site told me that conversion is all that matters, and I should stop being a luddite and ship a 20+mb of LLM-generated JS PWA and a separate iOS app.

@nina_kali_nina

The stuff I code, yes. I use lynx a fair amount and if it works there, should be fine in a fancier browser like links or Dillo. I haven't used either of those in some years

@nina_kali_nina my blog at https://thomaspurnell.com is mostly just notes for myself and it annoyed me that it wasn't accessible from my amiga, so i recently made some changes to the point where it's usable (though far from perfect)

@nina_kali_nina heck, I had to repeatedly complain to my bank so they'd fix their website to work with friggin firefox.

@nina_kali_nina my home page, yes, because I wrote it in HTML by hand in 1996 and haven't really updated it in the past decade or so.

@nina_kali_nina I recently made a website again and thought I'd try it in links, but that was not installed (and it's not my system so not up to me to decide whether it should be). So then I tried lynx, and concluded that it works, suboptimally, but it does.

And the other two made me think that I don't know if I even have a favourite website or a forum now :/

Does your home page work in Dillo, Links, Netsurf?

https://comam.es/what-is-snac

@nina_kali_nina Kristall, which will browse http(s), gopher, gemini, and finger ( https://github.com/ikskuh/kristall )

@nina_kali_nina

I voted for several, but there's only one I use regularly. I even have it installed on my Android phone. Yes, lynx works just fine in Termux and I have set the URL handler there to launch it

@nina_kali_nina
Amfora is really good! It only supports Gemini protocol instead of HTML, so way more niche than other browsers: https://github.com/makew0rld/amfora

Amfora and Lagrange are my preferred geminispace browsers. Lagrange can be found here: https://gmi.skyjake.fi/lagrange/

@nina_kali_nina

Maybe:
* WebPositive (Haiku)
* Minuet (DOS) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Internet_Users_Essential_Tool

@nina_kali_nina for years on my Atari I used CAB - https://atari.clauss-net.de/cab.html

@nina_kali_nina Elinks forever in my heart, I will never forget the glory of tabbed browsing from the linux console, with images loaded straight to the framebuffer, and scripts to scrape video links and pass them to mplayer with fbdev

@nina_kali_nina Last I tried, the closest I got was w3m and elinks for the text based ones you mentioned. I basically just wanted images that scaled to fit the actual elements on the page in elinks as opposed to being something you clicked and it maybe displayed that separately. Browsh does what I'd want, but Browsh is also cheating by piggybacking off Firefox.

Servo is pretty dope in general, I'm hoping to use them for everything that currently works and just swap to Firefox derivatives for the stuff that doesn't.

@nina_kali_nina
Definitely going to look some of those up, now!

@nina_kali_nina I use links somewhat frequently. Back around 2001 I'd use lynx on the real actual Linux console (SVGAtextmode for the win) and if I wanted to view a picture I could keyboard over to it and open it in zgv. Worked an absolute treat.

Lynx was also my very first Usenet client before I switched to slrn.

@nina_kali_nina #LynxBrowser is awesome!
https://tech.lgbt/@Netzblockierer/117165434446411988

@nina_kali_nina
Didn't remember any of them. But couldn't vote for none?

@nina_kali_nina My single concern about alternative browsers is adblocking. That's a hard must-have for pages to load faster than 1200 bps.

@nina_kali_nina I only know of Mothra because of all the 9front propaganda. >.>

@nina_kali_nina mothra 9%. of course it is..

@prahou
It's so cute and hopeful!

I love their optimistic smile.

@prahou @catsalad
Where are her head wires?

I find it hard to take contests seriously when the entries feel more like a corporate pitch.

@ozzelot in the back, the two shadowy figures are throwing mobileks down the chimney. i just wanted you to know that.

@prahou keep at it! You've definitely made some evocative story seed images (and then you write the stories about them!)

@prahou just send them a picture of Grendel. That's a thousand stories right there

@heyheymomo that silly one...

@heyheymomo don’t make me choose!

@heyheymomo The one with Forg and Dog

@heyheymomo Pretty sure it has a frog or someone saying "nice" in it. Or both!

@heyheymomo all of them

@heyheymomo The Install wizard

@heyheymomo the next one.

@mjg59 Nuance! Which I guess counts as "no".

@mjg59 Wasn't the purpose of copyleft to kill copyright?

@mjg59 Eh. Quite a tough question. I answered yes because the benefit of having "all knowledge copiable" seems (at first glance) preferable to what copyleft wins us over copyright in an era where copyleft seems to have mostly served the powerful, not the rest of us.

@mjg59 Yes, but only if it killed DRM as well.

@mjg59 I woudn't kill it, but I would weaken it/change the way it works.

@mjg59

* monkey paw curls *

Copyright is now erased. Nobody has the right to copy anything.

Computers shut off, because installing software requires copying it from somewhere.

Modern administration shuts down, because it previously relied on copied documents.

Standards are erased, because they require copied, identical measurements.

You starve, attempting to bootstrap yourself into hunter gatherer mode, because you can't copy methods and advice you get.

@mjg59 I don't think copyright is inherently wrong. Its enforcement is.

@mjg59 Yes, but it’s not as simple as killing copyright. Copyright is a (very poor) defense mechanism against the capital class stealing your work and out-competing you with their greater resources.

In order to get to a place where we don’t need defenses like copyright, we must work towards a society where everyone’s basic needs (shelter, food & water, comfort, community, happiness) are guaranteed, and not dependent upon earning an income.

Treat the root problem, rather than the symptom.

@mjg59 I'd kill all software patents in a heartbeat though and stamp on their grave.

@mjg59
There's no need for copyleft if copyright is dead, other than perhaps as a reminder.

@mjg59 I think the right answer is to retain copyright, prevent it expanding, and bring it back to something like a 30 year term and limited to concerns about commercial distribution.

@mjg59 voted „yes”.

There’s lots of room for nuance. But as a tool for managing our shared knowledge and encouraging its growth, copyright is probably so broken as to be essentially unfixable.

Let’s find other solutions.