ManMachine
@max@manmachine.me
Professional computer toucher.
Amateur photographer and musician.
Autistic.
Amateur photographer and musician.
Autistic.
ManMachine
@max@manmachine.me
are you a horizontal or vertical programmer?
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A job listing:
Software Engineer (Vertical)- San Francisco
Plaud
San Francisco, CA
Hybrid work
traditionally I've been a sort of hybrid, doing most of my programming from a seated position, other than back in the early 2010s when I experimented with a standing desk.
Since the whole bedridden thing I've written more and more of my code horizontally, but I'm slowly working my way up to hybrid stances
amusingly a lot of my recent programming has been related to flirting with cuties on the internet, so in a way it's a different kind of horizontal programming
alternatively, I'm definitely a horizontal programmer, but my screen mount can rotate, so I'm flexible.
@foone
There are languages that are both horizontal and vertical... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language#Piet
@foone in what way is it possible to use software development skills to flirt
asking for a friend
@AVincentInSpace I'm working on software to characterize and analyze keysmashes, as well as organizing my Notes on the people I'm flirting with.
The notes are there because I like to know as much as I can about the toys I'm playing with, especially how to make them make the cutest noises. Turns out a lot of "toys" really like that idea, who knew?
@foone I'm horizontal, can program in basically anything but not particularly good.
That said I'm also not a full time programmer, so that kinda makes sense I guess.
@foone All angles, rotating freely.
@foone programming while on rope sounds like a lot of work.
@notecharlie fun fact: the STL for C++ defines a "string" type called "rope", which is a binary tree of strings, designed to optimally manage a large string where you may be inserting or removing from the middle often.
Like what might back a text editor
@foone first consider a perfectly spherical programmer of uniform density
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@foone traditionally chinese programming has been vertical, but over the past century they have increasingly used horizontal programming.
No one ever had to yell “adapt or die” to get me to use any other bit of technology in my life.
agentic AI in particular is so fucking funny. i run an absolutely *tiny* indie studio and i still ask people "hey could you run me through how this works?" all the time because knowing how things work is a vital part of creating a quality product
how does that work with AI? "hey could you run me through how this works?" and people just go "idk the AI did it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
i feel like the only way businesses fall for this is when they're big enough nobody at any level really knows fully how the product gets made, because it's abundantly clear to anyone who actually knows how products are made that "nobody knows how this works" is the biggest red flag ever
@eniko And even if someone doesn’t fully understand what they were doing, they can usually explain up to the point where they made a guess or just copied a solution from somewhere else. An AI often only admits a fault, when confronted directly or when it obviously contradicts itself.
"you can just read the code the agent wrote"
oh fuck off. the whole idea is that agents can churn out code at way higher volumes than people can generate, and the bottleneck when people wrote the code and not "agents" was already code review, because making sense of code is harder than writing it
the only thing you've done is made the code review bottleneck so, so much worse. and this will help you be more productive... how exactly?
@eniko "I produced 2 million lines of code so I am clearly doing my job brilliantly and should be the one promoted yes yes"
@eniko Let's not kid ourselves, this AI code will mostly be reviewed by AI tools, because who cares if it breaks, it's not their fault anymore, it's the AI's fault.
@ainmosni this is akin to live coding changes in the production environment and anyone who attempts it for long enough will be punished for their hubris
@ratsnakegames @ainmosni they will be punished for their hubris
so what's the alternative if you can't review the avalanche of slop code? you just don't. and that's basically akin to live coding in the production environment. anyone who attempts this for long enough will be punished for their hubris
@eniko I absolutely cannot understand anyone who would be happy to ship things they don't understand, or that they can ask a person they trust about if they don't. I get the argument that as a sole coder (now) I'm an outlier and teams delegate understanding between themselves all the time, but a team is different to an LLM. A person can earn your trust, an LLM can only delude you into trusting it because it has no real memory or integrity or anything to lose by screwing you
@eniko I have seen the argument that they will just get a newer, smarter, AI to fix all the problems generated by the old one, and it's giving “I speak of none but the computer that is to come after me” from Hitchhikers.
@eniko I'm admittedly limited in my coding experience, but I'm less worried by code generation than by error fixing.
I vaguely trust the first draft to at least sorta focus on the original intent. Every iteration where code fails to compile or gives an incorrect output, though, creates a new layer of problems to focus on, and if an LLM will do ANYTHING to look good to you (as seems to be the trend), then who knows what bullshit it'll put in there just to produce something that functions?
@eniko one answer you'll get is that as long as it includes complete code coverage in tests, it should be good.
But here's the thing: the agent wrote those as well - without context of the bigger system - and bugs can and have manifested in code that was 100% covered in tests
@longhairmoto yeah, bugs have never existed even in codebases with good test harnesses and they definitely have never happened in codebases with bad to mediocre test harnesses
@eniko also cherry on top: I am convinced that all this focus on code is because it was one of the few datasets on the internet that remained unpolluted by LLM outputs. Polluting it with slop pretty much guarantees that whatever the current models are capable of doing, the future ones will not be able to do anymore.
@eniko exactly this!
I've been trying to explain this to people as well.
But it seems "we have the ai write tests too, that we also don't read" is apparently fine.
@eniko preach! This is the biggest talking point for me. When stuff falls apart, you can absolutely ask a person "Hey, why is your code like this?" And you can get some idea as to what the problem is.
With AI, you can't. It doesn't have context behind its decisions so you not only have to find out what's wrong, you have to figure out why and do so with zero guidance or input.
@eniko a lot of places have started use AI to do code reviews, and started to shift around who takes fault when the AI generated code goes bad (either the person who did the prompting, or the person who did the review).
So something goes wrong and one of those two gets fired, and the process that incentivizes rubber stamping PRs is never given scrutiny.
@eniko It's even narrower than that. I don't know how a Polar Code works on FPGA, but I can read a high-level wikish summary of the *intent* of the design, and I know the basic error correction coding theory to absorb what it implies for my block of the machine.
This kind of indifference can only pass when nobody knows fully how the product gets made and also the way it's made was already full of bullshit performative work-shaped nonsense even before they began asking randstr for the files.
@eniko
^ this
I suspect this is a big part of why it's so appealing to corporate bigwigs : they don't know/understand what their teams are doing anyway, so genAI doesn't change that significantly from their perspective.
@eniko
I work at a medical device company. The factory I work in, of which the company has *a bunch*, employs well over 1000 people.
Enthusiasm for generative LLMs is directly proportional to distance from production. The C_Os are urging people to adopt it. Managers are interested. Office workers are cautiously optimistic. And we on the assembly lines are all dead set against it.
@eniko Well, you see, the C-suite guys have the mental capacity of a snake. Nobody they talk to understands how anything works anyway. But they do know that Agentic AI puts predatory pressure on the labour cost centres and that means it's 'good'.
@eniko nobody ever hired subject matter experts to do the human feedback part of RLHF so what they optimized for instead is surface level plausibility. When the people running the company aren't subject matter experts either, and hence are not equipped to distinguish "plausible at first glance" from "actually correct"...
@eniko This is exactly what happened in my non-coding ecommerce job. It's been getting a lot of use for pipeline scripts and I've asked hey how does this work exactly? And gotten exactly that as an answer. No one knows how any of it's built exactly and the result is a batch file that self installs brew and uses python to call some applescript so it can rename files.
@eniko recently I've been reviewing code with the most subtle and horrible kinda mistakes- and then folks who defend it "because Claude did it"
It is three times as exhausting to review this kind of crap because the mistakes are irrational, unmotivated and seem to be there solely to make reading the code harder.
is your sense of taste or smell diminished from where it was before 2020?
| yes, sense of taste diminished: | 6 |
| yes, sense of smell diminished: | 13 |
| yes, both diminished: | 12 |
| no: | 230 |
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@eniko quite hard to gauge since I precisely lost both for three months at the very beginning of the pandemic
@eniko my mum lost her sense of smell at the end of 2019, when both she and my dad were hit by a mysterious virus that took them out so bad they cancelled christmas over it.
It's still not returned 🙃
@eniko these results are less pessimistic than what I would have guessed from my own personal social circle
@AshCarnelian feel like the average mastodonian is more likely to dodge the virus than the general population
@eniko @AshCarnelian I also think that it depends on what systems and organs were damaged during the infection (brain, heart or both).
@eniko I think I had it twice, caught it from my ex at least once. No smell or taste changes, but it made my asthma worse and I have gross post nasal drip stuff now 🙃
@eniko I feel like I'm cheating saying No because I managed to dodge the virus (so far, 6 year streak!) mainly I feel by masking super early (and working in a job that encouraged masking in a heap of situations) and also being veeeeeeery antisocial...
@eniko Does it count if it's because I have a blocked nostril?
@MachineLordZero uhh, i dont know? i was mostly fishing for covid stuff
@eniko lol I know. Thanks to my mask I've learnt that my eyes are sufficiently connected to my nasal area that I can actually smell stuff a little through those connections, so if anything my sense of smell is better.
@eniko I had a non-COVID sinus infection in 2012 that completely killed smell/taste for me for 8 or 10 years. Would *love* to never repeat that.
A cursed feature of C in 1972: Labels and functions were reassignable (i.e., lvalues)!
For example, this is a clever way to initialize once:
goto init;
init:
ouptr = oubuf;
init = init1;
init1:
which is compiled to:
jmp *4120
mov 4136,4144
mov 4122,4120
Note the indirect jump and assignment to that address. All gotos used indirect jumps. This apparently would have also worked with functions.
The username goes into the password manager.
The password also goes into the password manager.
The second factor also goes into the square hole, uhm i mean password manager.
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Reminder: de-skilling as a trend in software engineering was already in progress well before LLMs.
Toxic productivity culture, people meeting badly-designed internal reward metrics, hopping jobs and never seeing the consequences of bad choices, plummeting quality, short-termism.
Sure LLMs add fuel to this fire, but I’m not at all convinced they’re causal.
If anything, their popularity seems more a consequence of the culture than cause.
A Fediverse experiment! an "Exquisite Corpse" collab with artist @prahou (left), and me (right). Fun fun!
Full original thread: https://fe.disroot.org/notice/B5c8qmENlmX1kjRXMm
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left side of exquisite corpse
three brothers present:
triapul.cz
it's tony
computers make war on angelkind
AI GENERATED WATERMARK
Eye needle to eye needle the baby is next.
memories of maude/funhole. mister mobilek smiles at the end.
cum collector watches the missile fly past a tongue.
spawn through a tube of a snake with boats.
first words you hear
com
put
ers
just dancing and listening to music
Right side:
featuring Pepper&Carrot, sea, tentacles and a bird.
@davidrevoy here's the one with @qrstuv !
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left side of exquisite corpse
three brothers present:
triapul.cz
it's tony
computers make war on angelkind
AI GENERATED WATERMARK
Eye needle to eye needle the baby is next.
memories of maude/funhole. mister mobilek smiles at the end.
cum collector watches the missile fly past a tongue.
spawn through a tube of a snake with boats.
first words you hear
com
put
ers
just dancing and listening to music
Middle:
plane flying over an airport that sits above train tracks where a caboose train just passes by a bridge next to a 8-lane highway that's empty.
2 cars and a schoolbus race across the canvas.
Right side:
featuring Pepper&Carrot, sea, tentacles and a bird.
Thank you for content!
@nagaram @davidrevoy thanks for engaging!
This is a reply to your reply. Negative sentiment >:(
@davidrevoy @prahou Not sure I ever saw a team effort picture before - not divided left and right. Very different styles. Dirty to pristine.
@davidrevoy @prahou This reminds me of that quilt experiment in which I participated on DeviantArt some 15 years ago.
@LordCaramac @davidrevoy show me
@prahou @davidrevoy I don't know if it still exists. If I find it, I'll post it.
@prahou @davidrevoy It would be a lot easier if I could remember the title. It was a massive collaboration among many DA users, took place over a couple of weeks, and it was one of the first ones ever on DA, but there were many of those over the following months.
On dit vraiment Exquisite Corpse dans la langue de Frankenstein (ou en tous cas de Mary Shelley) ?
Which lucky iPod gets to come to the pool today…
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A drawer of iPods
@max it’s my favorite model!
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The year is 2026, and my 8x2GHz 8Gb RAM pocket device ("phone") can't play a 128 kbps mp3 (pre-downloaded) over Bluetooth without sound glitches every minute
@nina_kali_nina FWIW this got better for me after I disabled multi-point pairing. *shakes fist at Bluetooth*
Happy Caturday! it's time for a Cat themed poll! (yes I know I did a freeform one earlier, this week it's 2 cat polls!)
Which of the following cat names is your favorite ?
#cats #caturday #catsofmastodon #cat
| Freya: | 2 |
| Captain Bitey: | 9 |
| Wriggles: | 0 |
| Meep: | 8 |
| Niceness: | 0 |
| Mr. Ravioli: | 4 |
| Kosh: | 1 |
| Buffy: | 0 |
| Willow: | 1 |
| Squeakers: | 1 |
how much longer do you think the google groups usenet archives will be around, and is there a suitable and stable alternate?
the llms can't talk about goblins anymore cause the goblins won their class action suit. it happened a few weeks ago, but human media doesn't usually report on stuff from goblin court
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I like how “for Reasons” is a fixed phrase in Japanese
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訳あり is a phrase that is often used before nouns to express that there is a reason for something being a certain way. The reason is normally complicated or something that the speaker does not want to or cannot explain. 訳あり is literally made up of 訳, 'reason' or 'cause', and the continuative form (連用形) of ある.
Brokecore is back in business for #BandcampFriday 🤘
I managed to dig through the archives and contributed the only outtake from M.A.S.R.'s debut LP, Videomiracles 📼✨
Check out Track #7 - "Desperation Unknown"
https://brokecore.bandcamp.com/album/valuables-and-malleables
Annnnd if you want to support my weird experimental side project:
This one's WAY darker than the first LP
If you're holding out for the new BoC, start here 👀
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A cozy cat in these trying times 🌿☕️
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Watercolor drawing of a cat snug on a couch with a mug and little snacks
Experimenting with some other color styles, what are we thinking of these?
I always have the urge to over-render things, so I’m trying a flat approach! Maybe I prefer the watercolor version?
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Drawing of a cat snug on a couch with a mug and little snacks, flat warm colors
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Drawing of a cat snug on a couch with a mug and little snacks, lighter colors and offset a bit
@EmilySchnall They’re honestly all wonderful, Emily, but I do personally prefer (slightly!) the last version
@EmilySchnall To my eye, the watercolor is the most satisfying because it has more contrast. The first flat version reads to me as a single value, so it all merges into a blob. The second flat version has a bit more separation between elements, but is still harder to “read” than the watercolor
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I think, for migraine reasons, I need to switch my main display to either an OLED or a CRT
Guess which one is more likely to happen
@foone my migraines are pretty incompatible with CRTs. The flicker and the severely reduced contrast both really anger my neurology.
@plaidtron3000 mmm, for me it's just the brightness that bothers me, and a CRT has a darker black (since there's no backlight).
I've not actually seen if the flicker bothers me, it might be bad
@foone I kinda expect CRTs to have lighter blacks than a good LCD, because of bright pixel spillover and internal reflection in the front glass.
@plaidtron3000 @foone I wonder, is the flicker an issue only on lower refresh rates or does it also have an effect on higher refresh rates, like say, 100Hz and up? Asking out of curiosity, as 60Hz on a CRT is somewhat painful after even a short while to my eyes, whilst 100Hz on the same display doesn't really cause any eye strain at all
@snep @plaidtron3000 60hz on a big CRT can be painful even without migraines. I remember back in 2004 I was rocking a 19" CRT and when my nvidia driver broke on linux, I got stuck at 60hz while I recompiled the driver. I lasted like 20 minutes and then got horrible nausea and had to stop
@max I've thought about it. if I wasn't broke I'd have already ordered an eink monitor of some sort
A friend was doing a crossword and asked me what URL stands for so I said Unicorn Rotisserie Label and I think we're just gonna have to go with that from now on.
Also they're both 22 letters and I didn't even do that on purpose.
@jwz I can't believe I get to ask this, but while you're on the topic - could you for once please settle the difference between a URL and a URI?
@ariels A URL is a monoid of a URI, whose morphisms are the elements of the monoid. Hope that helps clear things up.
Listening to cybersecurity people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.
A friendly reminder that the pseudorationalist stance of "let's be centrist about literally everything no matter how objectively harmful" has resulted in plenty horrendous decisions in history of humanity, and manipulating people into not caring or being quiet about their dissent by accusing them of being emotional about an issue should really be reconsidered.
/sigh I need this on a t-shirt lest I forget or have to repeat this the hundredth time.
At some point the corporations realized that Clarke's logic works in reverse, and any sufficiently advanced sleight of hand is indistinguishable from technology
If I were to make a tour of multimedia and artistic software that runs on a Pentium 2, which part you'd love to see the most?
| Windows 9x drawing and photo: | 12 |
| Windows 9x music making: | 31 |
| Windows 9x video editing: | 12 |
| Windows 9x 3D: | 11 |
| Windows 9x CAD: | 19 |
| FLOSS drawing/photo: | 14 |
| FLOSS music making: | 26 |
| Vintage Blender 3D: | 25 |
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@nina_kali_nina It's not on the list, but I would love to see some of the CPU based ray tracing that was around at the time, you know the sort of thing that was used to make all those weird images of flying shapes and dolphins and alien terrain
@Canageek that's "3D", I think
@nina_kali_nina Filled out! I was thinking like Maya and POV-Ray and Poser and such, I didn't know that blender went back that far!
@nina_kali_nina You say "Which one", and I see eight "must watch" videos. :)
@ann3nova it's going to be a series of toots though :3
@nina_kali_nina as a follow up, doing the same with win3.x would be cool.
i’ve downloaded a whole truckload of old win3 apps, haven’t gone through them yet… that era is fascinating in a way
@domi you won't believe it but I use win3x in my music pipeline because one of the apps I need is win16 only....
@nina_kali_nina i do believe it, actually^^
@domi anyhow, I do want to try and push for Win16 multimedia, too. Sounds like a fun project for low energy evenings
@nina_kali_nina Anything from Kai.
@mhd Kai?
From 1903 to 1907 Augustus Jansson produced more than 30 striking adverts for the Queen City Printing Ink Company, including the wonderful Ink Beasts Parade series, with its "Magenta Ponies" and "Orange-Yellow Ibexiaticus". More here: https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/augustus-janssons-queen-city-ink-adverts-1903-1907
Quick poll - you don't have to have used MartyPC or have MartyPC to answer, if you've used an emulator before and have an opinion. This is a somewhat Windows-centric question, I suppose.
I prefer my emulators to:
| Install in the proper system paths, use per-user profiles to store configurations: | 8 |
| Run out of a specific directory tree as a portable app and not touch anything outside of it: | 7 |
| Give me the option on install / and or provide optional portable .ZIP: | 10 |
@gloriouscow
For how complicated PCs are, I personally think it is a better idea to have the config, HDD image, floppy/CD images, etc all in one folder for a specific machine instance or project. It makes it easier to back up the whole thing or move it to another system.
Guess the wikipedia article for this rare sentence: "The pair are thus an example of heteropaternal superfecundation."
| Gamete: | 30 |
| Castor and Pollux: | 60 |
| Undertale: | 42 |
| Eurytus and Cteatus: | 28 |
| Hades II: | 39 |
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@thomasfuchs I gave up on the "native" client for discord on linux years ago and just it in a browser. It has(had?) horrible update problems on linux even with a reliable connection. I also figured that there was no real reason to run an electron instance when I'm already running a web browser 100% of the time anyway.
@TechTangents @thomasfuchs I resent applications that are effectively single-site web browsers under the hood.
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